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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.19 23:59:28 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:The core concept underlying war decs is a bit ... problematic.
It would be trivial to make war decs impossible to dodge, but then you know some group of asshats is gonna war dec a bunch of month old players (who would be too poor to hire half decent mercs and too inexperienced to defend themselves) and farm them until they quit and then move on to the next group of woeful poor incompetents.
You could say "HTFU" to the woeful poor incompetents, but we all know ccp wants to keep their sub money.
Or you have the current situation where the vast majority of those that die to war decs are the ones dumb enough to go to a particular market hub in a slow ship.
And you think none of our more upstanding citizens would flock to defend this theoretical mob of month old players?
Heck, besides some Brave Newbies or EVE Uni groups, I can't actually think of a time when I've seen a bunch of new players in a gaggle together to be shot at.
I would see this as an opportunity to get new players into the hands of the right people, and to crush the toxic "new player friendly" tax farm corps that are poisoning new players right now.
Large scale conflict gives you a chance to pick a side, kick some ass, and most importantly get involved with something. And the alternative is the status quo, making it easier to mine 23/7 with no player interaction? Pff. Fairly apparent to me which one is more captivating.
The strength of this game is not it's "you can't touch me" gameplay. It's not it's PvE content.
It's player interaction.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.20 00:28:59 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: And the alternative is the status quo, making it easier to mine 23/7 with no player interaction? Pff. Fairly apparent to me which one is more captivating.
As opposed to what, exactly? Making it easier to camp Jita 4-4 for war targets? I don't particularly disagree with the whole "player interraction" bit, but let's not eulogize what the vast majority of actual war deccers do.
And why do you think that is? I'll give you a hint, it's due to a huge failure in the mechanics to actually force a fight.
People camp trade hubs because that's how you can actually get kills, thanks to being high traffic areas. Actually hunting targets is made pointless when they can just dodge the dec for a pittance.
It's exactly like how people cry about suicide gankers using min/maxxed ships. Well, pro carebear mechanics have forced them to do that to sustain their playstyle's existence.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.20 00:41:07 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote: Then they just cry to CCP to nerf ALL combat ships. Ugh.....
Of course they do.
In their minds, the ability to shoot other people in ANY WAY is the problem. Everything they ask for is just one further step to accomplishing their goal.
Trammel.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.20 00:45:41 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Good stuff, but let's not eulogize the war deccers as "crushing toxic corps", "fighting the evil tax farms", and preventing the "poisoning of new players."
Why not? That's what I've always used it for. Awoxing too, to crush these vile people who try to get new players to mine for two months before they train any useful skills. The people who tell new players nothing except "you can't." The less of these people around to corrupt newbies, the better.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.20 00:54:15 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote: Maybe you do, maybe you don't, but I doubt even you would claim that the most prolific use of the war dec is out of some notion of benevolence towards new players (as opposed to just farming killmails).
Of course they aren't.
Because thanks to dec dodging, the capacity for it is almost entirely lacking.
That's what I'm trying to tell you. With the way it currently works, "cheap kills" as you put it, is mostly what is available from the mechanic. Killing people who don't avoid it.
But if it can't be avoided... people have to band together, learn to actually play the damned game, and the potential for actual meaningful conflict opens up. Right now there is no meaningful conflict because the mechanic is handcuffed solely for the benefit of the antisocial rejects who insist on playing an MMO like a single player game.
And of note? The previously mentioned antisocial playstyles are ones that invariably result in people quitting the game, by CCP's own admitted numbers. We don't need to be enabling the kind of gameplay that kills subscriptions with boredom.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.20 02:56:50 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Buffing wardecs to the point where they're unavoidable for hisec dudes seems to simply be unnecessary.
They would still be avoidable.
But it just would be through the surrender mechanic, instead of an almost free exploit. That, or playing in an NPC corp, which is pretty much the mandate anyway if you don't want to fight wars in a player corp.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 14:47:10 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: The problem is that making risk for them is risk-less for you, and it's not game design, it's a rule which is poorly balanced for no good reason. The mechanics is not the same, as one side has the ability to fight without exposure, and the other one does not, which makes it unbalanced, and no reward at certain death risk for defender make it meaningless for one side.
It is not, nor is it ever risk-less for the aggressor unless the defender is a total failure at this game.
All the crap you claim that the aggressor does, the defender is not magically forbidden from doing. You can use logi, you can play station games, and you can use links and scouts.
There is absolutely no game mechanic preventing the defender from doing exactly the same thing to the aggressor that is being done to them.
Only their failures as players do that.
Hell, when you get right down to it, the mechanics are greatly unbalanced in favor of the defender of a wardec, since they can pull allies for free in functionally unlimited number, and have 100% control over whether the war happens at all.
You're just trying to disguise the fact that because some people are hilariously bad at EVE, you want the mechanics to be even more brokenly unbalanced in their favor.
**** no.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 14:54:32 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: unless the defender is a total failure at this game.
So, the vast majority of hisec in general and new players in particular. Got it.
The solution sure isn't to provide mechanics that enable and encourage never learning to play. That just makes them eternal victims.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:22:09 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: Aggressor picks the defender which cannot fight back and grief decs him, then surprised he doesn't fight back and calls him "a total failure at MY game". You picked him to have no risk, that's why you have no risk. Pick better ones!
No one is EVE Online "cannot fight back". Everyone has gun skills. It's just that some people think they're above actually bothering to use them.
Why should you get to carebear in peace? Why should you get to effect the economy of the game with no recourse on the part of others?
Quote: Except grief deccer's playstyle exposes no assets and makes him effectively invulnerable, and defender's doesn't, and even if he adopts grief deccer's methods, he achieves nothing. All the while, defender is non-magically forbidden from doing anything he does.
First of all, let's knock off your "grief" bullshit.
There is no legal game mechanic in EVE Online that consitutues "griefing", and you refusing to put the slightest bit of effort into defending yourselves does not make you victims either.
Secondly, how the **** can you say they have no assets? That's about as obvious a lie as I have ever seen. They're literally flying around in assets. If you want to damage them, here's a thought; try shooting back.
Quote: Pulling allies for free, and what can allies do to the invulnerable attacker? Same thing defender itself can - NOTHING.
Stop with your lies. If the attacker is "invulnerable", then the same mechanics permit you to be as well. And if that's the case, then you suffer zero harm from a wardec anyway.
Nevermind that it's not true, because if they are undocked to shoot you, they are in open space and you can shoot back.
Quote: Yes, some people are hilariously bad at EVE. Their name is grief deccers, and quite oppositely from your insinuation, I want the mechanics to stop giving them invulnerability and incredible favor they enjoy right now.
There is no mechanic in this game that gives them "invulnerability" that doesn't also apply equally well to you.
And you also have the benefit of the dec dodge exploit.
Looks like you're the one who needs nerfed, just like I said.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:23:12 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: You're getting closer to the root issue, go on! Here's a tip: Imagine you got grief decced and decided to stand up and fight. So you fleet up... aaaaaaand find out your target is invulnerable, risk-averse hisec bunny who docks up when your fleet is spotted by neutral scout alt 3 systems away.
Your actions?
If you make a right step, I will give you the next tip!
If they're docked, you can go right back to missioning and mining.
Duh. Are you seriously this bad at EVE Online?
Oh, and wardecs are not "griefing". Ever. By definition.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:31:32 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: You go right back to missioning and mining, and you're hit.
No you're not. You outright said that they're docked 3 jumps away.
You can keep making up imaginary worst case scenarios, but you're tripping over yourself now.
Quote: Oh, and current wardecs are "griefing". Absolutely. By definition.
Please point out how use of a legitimate game mechanic constitutes griefing as per the Terms of Service.
Otherwise you can stop using that lie.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:39:27 -
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Well, that's your entire argument in flames, Basil.
Can I assume we'll stop seeing you use that particular lie?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:42:11 -
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afkalt wrote: No-one gets the right to bear in peace, but no-one gets the right to shoot fish in a barrel either.
Except that with wardecs being toothless thanks to the dec dodge exploit, people can bear in peace with ease.
And that's why this needs fixed.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:47:25 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:and lobby for advantages and changes.
Lobbying for advantages and changes, Exhibit A: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Looks like you're the one who needs nerfed, just like I said.
Exhibit B: Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Except that with wardecs being toothless thanks to the dec dodge exploit, people can bear in peace with ease.
And that's why this needs fixed.
An exploit does not get to remain in the game merely because some would benefit from it's removal.
See the POS bowling change for an example.
But meanwhile, I notice that you still give full credence to the people who stand to gain from the current existence of this exploit. They're arguing bitterly to keep their unfair advantage, but you seem to be just fine with that.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:53:41 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: An exploit does not get to remain in the game merely because some would benefit from it's removal.
See the POS bowling change for an example.
But meanwhile, I notice that you still give full credence to the people who stand to gain from the current existence of this exploit. They're arguing bitterly to keep their unfair advantage, but you seem to be just fine with that.
Dodging a war dec by leaving or dismantling a corp has never been considered an exploit by CCP.
And for the longest time, POS bowling and/or some other form of it was allowed as well.
Until it wasn't.
That's what I'm arguing for. The intended method to dissolve a wardec is the surrender mechanic. The dec dodge exploit bypasses that basically for free and instantly. That's a textbook exploit.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:56:24 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:They're arguing bitterly to keep their unfair advantage, but you seem to be just fine with that. Yes, grief deccers keep arguing to keep their invulnerability exploit intact.
Wardecs are not griefing. You've been shown definitive proof of that already, so cease your lies.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:57:48 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:That's what I'm arguing for. The intended method to dissolve a wardec is the surrender mechanic. The dec dodge exploit bypasses that basically for free and instantly. That's a textbook exploit. Let's make grief decs war decs first, shall we? Then we can consider dodging them an exploit, dodging a grief dec is the only rational thing to do at the moment.
See my post above.
Wardecs are not griefing, they never were, and never are. Cease your lies.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:01:04 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: grief decs are not textbook griefing, it's a name picked for them to differentiate them from war decs. grief decs are used with griefing intentions and are catered by rules which are unbalanced for no good reason towards risk-less gameplay of all the benefit you are willing to claim. It's lack of meaningful options aside from rationally dodging that situation instead of taking some meaningful steps (possibly involving guns) that differentiate a grief dec from war dec.
CCP wrote: A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.
Wardecs are never griefing.
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One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:08:04 -
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There is no such thing as a "grief dec".
Get it yet? There is no circumstance in which declaring war is griefing. It is always a legitimate game mechanic.
Take your made up terms elsewhere, we're talking about wardecs in this thread.
Quote: However, we have a situation where the issue is NOT non-consensual combat, but lack of meaningful options on defender's side, and invulnerability exploit on the grief deccers side.
Except that both of those are outright lies.
There are plenty of things a defender can do, and the aggressor is not magically invincible in any way.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:15:07 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: There are plenty of things a defender can do, and only one of them is rational, despite being negative to both grief deccer and defender - dodge the grief dec.
That's because the dec dodge exploit is more efficacious than legitimate methods of gameplay.
That's why it needs to be removed, because there is not supposed to be a one shot, no thought solution to wardecs.
Quote: The rest of the options are irrational, inefficient, and the best they can do is give risk-averse grief bunnies some good scare, but no losses, due to invulnerability exploit of sitting on Jita undock.
Lol, docking is not an exploit. Much as I don't care for station games, they are legitimate gameplay.
It's not, nor will it ever be an "exploit" to dock up.
So knock off your lies already. Any, literally any tactic available to the aggressor of a war is equally available to the defender.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:22:48 -
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Prince Kobol wrote: CCP need to give people a reason to fight for their Corps, with that reason then people will be much more inclined to learn how to fight back.
My position on that has been clear for some time.
NPC corps should be sufficiently disadvantageous as to make player corps something distinctly worth protecting.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:26:10 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: First we need to think of a way of promoting grief decs to war decs by removing invulberabiliyt exploit.
Considering that there is no "invulnerability exploit"...
Quote:Grief dec avoidance is countering exploit with exploit
No, it's not. It's countering a legitimate game mechanic with an exploit.
Quote:I'd say the grief dec exploiting came first and thus needs to go first
There is no "grief dec exploit".
You straight up admitted that you're talking about camping trade hubs. That is not, nor will it ever be an exploit.
Quote: I merely point out that killing people while staying invulnerable on undock for a mere 50m/week is a textbook exploit
No, it isn't. Stop lying, for once in your misbegotten life.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:28:29 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Then you notice your grief deccer is using invulnerability exploit on Jita undock and no matter how much you shoot, nobody died. What can you do to make him fight properly? What can you do with your fleet to stop grief dec?
Docking is not an exploit, nor will it ever be.
And if all they do is camp trade hubs, then it's really very easy to not get killed by them. You would be 100% unaffected.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:38:17 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: Docking is not an exploit. Grief deccing than shooting people while staying invulnerable yourself is an exploit.
And that can't actually happen. You're talking about camping trade hubs.
Which is not an exploit, at all.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:43:48 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: Except it's what your alliance does, and marmites do, and every other hisec pansy leet peeveepeeer does. How did you persuaded yourself it's not an exploit, while a MAJOR PITA of rolling corp is?
First of all, you don't seem to be too familiar with Devils. We're not Marmite, that's for sure.
Secondly, the dec dodge exploit takes moments, costs a pittance, and is in no way a pain in the ass. It is a one shot, no thought dissolution of a wardec, which bypasses the surrender mechanic (the intended way to dissolve decs, by the way).
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 18:25:32 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:I never bothered playing station games, if they wanted to kill then I let them come to me in on my terms, not there's. Which is clearly impossible. Unless you mean staying in lowsec, then true, none of them leet peeveepee bunnies aint going anywhere near risk of losing a ship. But there aren't many playstyles which can just do that.
And of course, you have no clue what you're talking about. Devils, for one, have been in lowsec for a while. My first kill after joining them was in lowsec for that matter.
Marmite does so occasionally as well, among others.
Lowsec is easy.
Quote: Which is what our Devils friend here calls being bad at eve.
No, it's not. Don't you dare put words in my mouth, you lying sack of ****.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 18:34:40 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: Come back after you read my last reply to you, illiterate shuttlecock.
The guy who continues to misuse the word "griefing" after having been shown that griefing does not apply to wardecs by CCP's own definition... should not be accusing anyone else of illiteracy.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 18:36:30 -
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Maekchu wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Maekchu wrote:The purpose is created by players. The wardec is only a tool created by CCP.
It isn't CCPs fault, that people dec without a specified purpose. So it's an useless ISK sink, as long as people make it a useless ISK sink.
Working as intended, I see no problem here.
Now go out there and create content, instead of sitting on the forum! People dec with a specific purpose, which is borderline griefing, and use exploits while they do. Please tell me more about these "exploits", your talking about.
He thinks camping trade hubs is an exploit.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 18:38:44 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote: Come back after you read my last reply to you, illiterate shuttlecock.
The guy who continues to misuse the word "griefing" after having been shown that griefing does not apply to wardecs by CCP's own definition... should not be accusing anyone else of illiteracy. The guy who couldn't read the explanation of the usage while protecting his exploits (understanding he's nothing without them) should really keep quiet.
I already told you that I don't do station games. You blithely ignored that, just as you ignored CCP's definition of griefing.
You do that because it doesn't fit your bullshit narrative, and you can't stand to have your nonsense viewpoint challenged by such things as facts.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 18:41:23 -
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Maekchu wrote: Aaaaaaw... How cute. And here I was worried someone actually broke EVE.
Nope, just the typical carebear flailing about how anyone is allowed to shoot at them.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 18:43:47 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: Just the typical hisec pansy who praises CCP for leet invulnerability warfare exploit.
There is no such thing. Stop lying, for once.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 18:45:45 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote: Just the typical hisec pansy who praises CCP for leet invulnerability warfare exploit.
There is no such thing. Stop lying, for once. "When we exploit it's leet, when others do it's exploit."
What exploit? Docking? Docking is not an exploit.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 18:55:15 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: There are no kills, because they abuse invulnerability exploit. 6, 60 or 600 won't make a difference, that's why it called invulnerability.
No that's called imaginary.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 18:56:58 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote: There are no kills, because they abuse invulnerability exploit. 6, 60 or 600 won't make a difference, that's why it called invulnerability.
No that's called imaginary. No that's called HANDS OFF MY EXPLOIT DONT REMOVE IT PLS OR I DIE.
What exploit? Docking? Docking is not an exploit.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 18:59:25 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: So how long are you going to play dumb? It's been explained at least 10 times.
No, it hasn't. You change your story every time your lies are exposed.
So how about you go ahead and lay it out for us? What is this "exploit" you are imagining?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 19:04:55 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote: So how long are you going to play dumb? It's been explained at least 10 times.
No, it hasn't. You change your story every time your lies are exposed. So how about you go ahead and lay it out for us? What is this "exploit" you are imagining? Not changed even once, liar.
Then you'll have no problem explaining it in detail.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 19:08:09 -
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Notice how he won't explain what this imaginary exploit is. He tries to weasel out of it.
That's because there is no such thing, and he's lying.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 20:11:51 -
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Lan Wang wrote: someone wants to mine a rock then let them mine a rock your just making yourself look like a c**t who is too scared to leave the protection of concord
Or, we can have a sandbox game instead of a themepark game. In a sandbox game, people are allowed to shoot you "just because". Or even if I happen to dislike like roid suckers.
And since it's a sandbox game that we all signed up for in the first place, let's go with that.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 20:20:38 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lan Wang wrote: someone wants to mine a rock then let them mine a rock your just making yourself look like a c**t who is too scared to leave the protection of concord
Or, we can have a sandbox game instead of a themepark game. In a sandbox game, people are allowed to shoot you "just because". Or even if I happen to dislike roid suckers. And since it's a sandbox game that we all signed up for in the first place, let's go with that. well stop complaining about the mechanics as there is a whole other world where highsec mechanics are not involved
EVE is first and foremost a PvP game. PvP belongs everywhere. That includes highsec.
But when the mechanics to enable PvP are broken in highsec, it creates a game imbalance that requires repair. Not only that, but pretending like an MMO is a singleplayer game is not something that should be promoted by game mechanics either.
EVE's strength is not it's PvE content, which is among the worst in the industry. It's strength is player interaction.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 20:36:59 -
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Lan Wang wrote: but people do pve and enjoy it so who are you to dictate to them what the playstyle is?
The real question is; who are they to dictate that my playstyle should stop existing in certain parts of space? When I go to the main site under "pirate" and "mercenary" it doesn't say that those playstyles don't exist in highsec.
Quote: why exactly do you live in highsec with such broken mechanics when other places are constant pvp?
Because no one needs PvP visited on them more than the people who try to deny it.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 20:46:59 -
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Lan Wang wrote: nobody is trying to deny you pvp
That is not what I meant, I was not referring to me specifically. I was referring to the people who try and play this game like a single player game. The people who stuff themselves with incursion isk and fly multi billion isk battleships, the people who scream and howl if they get ganked when they weren't even at their keyboard.
The people who think that this game is about making the green number get bigger, and that no one should be able to interfere with that. The people who devolve this beautiful game into pointless, mindless grinding.
Those are the people who need their door knocked on by PvP. Whether it be me or anyone else.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 20:51:22 -
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Aeryn Maricadie wrote:Jvpiter wrote:Aeryn Maricadie wrote:
Local makes the game too Safe
Go live in a wormhole. I do, and life without local is way more fun. Too bad most people are too scared to try it.
I gave that a try for a while. No local is good fun. But the POS mechanics are too tooth pullingly awful for me. The fact that they have yet to be fixed after all this is a disgrace.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.21 22:26:34 -
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You know, I just had a thought.
It would be a good "carrot" for player corps if only someone in a player corp could post anywhere but New Player Info.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.11.23 03:12:28 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Sibyyl wrote: A wardec allows acts of aggression without CONCORD retaliation. This is how it works everywhere outside of hisec (let's not argue about sentry guns here).
Outside of a wardec, CONCORD doesn't stop anyone from attacking you. As you all know, suicide ganking is a thing. People will attack you with or without a wardec.
No matter what you do in EVE, learn how to shoot or learn how to run. Not having one of these two skills does not entitle you to scream and cry about how unfair the game is.
If you can't deal with surviving without CONCORD for a week or two, I'm not sure it was a good idea for you to undock in the first place. Wardec mechanics need a change, but not because it's hard to deal with by folks who can't even survive in hisec as soon as someone gets a free shot at them. EVE is a game of contested resources, most often resolved at gunpoint. Try not to develop the irrational belief that there are gun free zones in EVE.
I've met my quota of 2 posts and I'm back in hiatus. Good luck with this discussion. I'm sure my 0.02 ISK's worth won't change anything.
basically wardeccers wardec people when its convenient for them, but when they need to they can hide behind concord and be protected, yet they moan when wt's jump npc corps when they are just as bad for hiding behind concord when its convenient for them. thats the jist of it all
If that's what you got out of what you quoted... then you either didn't read it, or can't read.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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